tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post963138216864676367..comments2024-03-27T16:48:21.039-05:00Comments on Wuthering <br>Expectations: The study of the inexplicable - beginning a stroll through SchopenhauerAmateur Reader (Tom)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-65598867173880348862013-03-21T12:42:57.476-05:002013-03-21T12:42:57.476-05:00Yes, the phrase Nietzsche uses is for Schopenhauer...Yes, the phrase Nietzsche uses is for Schopenhauer is Erzieher, educator. And much like his approach to history, he takes what he finds is beneficial to life and discards the rest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-15793058555851324532013-03-20T23:15:25.600-05:002013-03-20T23:15:25.600-05:00Hey, I just wrote some of that myself!
Hollingdal...Hey, I just wrote some of that myself!<br /><br />Hollingdale's argument is much more subtle than mere "influence," but is about how Nietzsche adapted the <i>figure</i> of Schopenhauer ("the Schopenhauer legend") to his own purposes, "Schopenhauer as an exemplary type of man, or at least of philosopher" (78).Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-44916270110156162032013-03-20T23:00:52.920-05:002013-03-20T23:00:52.920-05:00obooki,
Nietzsche was heavily influenced by Schop...obooki,<br /><br />Nietzsche was heavily influenced by Schopenhauer when he first started reading him in the later half of the 1860's. <br /><br />He is still a fan when he writes his thrid "Untimely Meditation" in 1874, but you can see that he is moving in a new direction and using Schopenhauer for his own ends.<br /><br />In the middle of the 1870's Nietzsche breaks away from both Schopenhauer and Wagner. Influenced by the ideas of his friend Paul Rée, he moves toward his own original philosophy. The basics are in place by the time he writes Morgenröte (The Dawn) in 1881 and he will develop these ideas further until his breakdown in 1888.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-87935314687410747442013-03-20T16:58:43.438-05:002013-03-20T16:58:43.438-05:00Hollingdale's intro is so good. How can I res...Hollingdale's intro is so good. How can I resist the strained politeness of this jab at "Hegel, who in any case suffered from genuine difficulty in expressing himself and who struggled consciously but in vain against an inadequate literary technique" (10).<br /><br />But of course Hollingdale is a specialist in Nietzsche and Schopenhauer, philosophers with more than adequate literary technique.<br /><br />I will find that piece on Nietzsche, which I believe is in the <i>Cambridge Companion</i>.<br /><br />Miguel, "thoughts" seems much to strong, but I guess it will have to do. I see that I avoided the standard one-word summary of Schopenhauer ("pessimism") - I will fix that in whatever I write tonight.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-1042818063324428382013-03-20T16:28:47.979-05:002013-03-20T16:28:47.979-05:00I know nothing about Schopenhauer, so it will be i...I know nothing about Schopenhauer, so it will be interesting to read your thoughts on him, Tom.LMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08538873868140070018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-78963627810213388272013-03-20T15:17:52.666-05:002013-03-20T15:17:52.666-05:00I have this same book by Schopenhauer, but I got s...I have this same book by Schopenhauer, but I got stuck in it long ago.<br /><br />I also have an amusing essay by Hollingdale, in which he argues that not merely did Nietzsche derive most of his philosophy from Schopanhauer, but he appears to have attributed to himself Schopanhauer's life too (the ignored outsider etc). obookihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03885121629202810216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-73517626832307711912013-03-20T09:17:19.011-05:002013-03-20T09:17:19.011-05:00It is an interesting confluence of events, isn'...It is an interesting confluence of events, isn't it, that after all of the political turmoil (and ongoing scientific and economic change), here was this living writer with a set of strong ideas that at least <i>fit</i>.<br /><br />The quotations from <i>World as Will</i> I have come across are as pungent and punchy as those that Hollingdale pulls from the later book. But you are right, I am probably best off reading more of <i>P & P</i>.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-32970494325911986912013-03-20T00:20:50.004-05:002013-03-20T00:20:50.004-05:00The optimistic belief in progress and self-determi...The optimistic belief in progress and self-determination that we see in Kant, Hegel, Goethe and the early socialists received a major set back with the failure of the revolutions of 1848-9. The 1850's saw a cynical retreat from energetic action to introspection, melancholy and individual pleasures. Schopenhauer, ignored for thirty years during the era of the neo-hegelians, had already written the philosophy for the times--and he, much to his surprise, became suddenly very popular.<br /><br />It didn't hurt that he was such a colorful writer with an engaging and witty prose style. The World as Will and Idea is very readable and even entertaining. If you like your insight and entertainment with a little less Kantian philosophy, try to track down Vol. II of Parerga and Paralipomena (some of it is already in Hollingdale).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com