tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post1378953076797281464..comments2024-03-27T16:48:21.039-05:00Comments on Wuthering <br>Expectations: A work of art lives only through its form - Eça de Queirós and originalityAmateur Reader (Tom)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-81264693864525917512012-09-01T21:20:20.482-05:002012-09-01T21:20:20.482-05:00Hey, thanks, good. It really is a great poem. Ma...Hey, thanks, good. It really is a great poem. Maybe someone will slip a little Verder collection into English someday.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-63858400737444129112012-09-01T13:23:12.774-05:002012-09-01T13:23:12.774-05:00Here it is:
http://www.poetryinternationalweb.net...Here it is:<br /><br />http://www.poetryinternationalweb.net/pi/site/poem/item/14822/auto/THE-FEELING-OF-A-WESTERNER<br /><br />I've always loved this stanza:<br /><br />Oh lucky travellers in hired coaches<br />Now hieing to the railway station! Countries<br />And exhibitions file past me: Madrid,<br />Paris, Berlin, St Petersburg, the world!LMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08538873868140070018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-1141783105046252572012-09-01T11:12:00.157-05:002012-09-01T11:12:00.157-05:00Yes, exactly, you got it. Maybe Zenith's site...Yes, exactly, you got it. Maybe Zenith's site has a good link.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-76887030363199205582012-08-31T17:57:11.431-05:002012-08-31T17:57:11.431-05:00Damn it, that link doesn't work anymore; now I...Damn it, that link doesn't work anymore; now I'll never know what was the greatest 19th century Portuguese poem!<br /><br />But let guess - "The Feelings Of A Westerner” by Cesário Verde?LMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08538873868140070018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-77582716638442484402011-10-03T16:59:05.926-05:002011-10-03T16:59:05.926-05:00Yes, exactly - a complex parody of Sentimental Edu...Yes, exactly - a complex parody of <i>Sentimental Education</i>.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-21351336750218508642011-10-03T16:18:53.723-05:002011-10-03T16:18:53.723-05:00'Im not so sure, Queiroz greatly admired Flau...'Im not so sure, Queiroz greatly admired Flaubert enough for his novel, like 'Sentimental Education' to have an identical conclusion; two long-term friends and now confirmed bachelors reminiscing on the happiness they once had in their distant, youthful past.Kevin Faulknerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15482886706239506749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-49439622326136405482011-09-30T13:46:29.347-05:002011-09-30T13:46:29.347-05:00I feel like I should re-read it, too, so I am not ...I feel like I should re-read it, too, so I am not surprised that you are enjoying it.<br /><br />Yeah, that self-consciousness now seems especially interesting. Modernist readers are well-trained in the subject, whatever E de Q's purpose was.<br /><br />That "copy of Flaubert" idea is just shorthand, an oversimplification.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-92172140410205321332011-09-30T13:10:30.504-05:002011-09-30T13:10:30.504-05:00Thanks to you, Tom, I now find myself plowing thro...Thanks to you, Tom, I now find myself plowing through "The Maias" for the second time in just over two years - though I have to say this second reading is proving immensely enjoyable in light of your observations. Plus, since my first visit to Lisbon came between the two readings, I can now better imagine the setting. Your observation about "The Maias" taking on literary originality as a subject is fascinating; it seems EdQ is highly conscious of the imitative aspects of his work and keeps them fresh by frequently calling into question the function of the realist novel, lending the work a strikingly modernist aspect thanks to this reflexiveness. It's been a long time since I've read "Sentimental Education," so perhaps my recollections are unclear, but I certainly didn't think of "The Maias" as a mere copy of it.seraillonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17654593356535433945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-9958934970172963092011-09-30T10:16:47.990-05:002011-09-30T10:16:47.990-05:00I have seen the book described as a copy of A Sent...I have seen the book described as a copy of <i>A Sentimental Education</i>, just Flaubert moved to Lisbon, but that really misses most of the interesting things E de Q is doing with the concept.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-7815057981091525312011-09-30T03:27:06.295-05:002011-09-30T03:27:06.295-05:00I agree, Flaubert's influence is apparent, esp...I agree, Flaubert's influence is apparent, especially his 'Sentimental Education' in E de Q's 'Maias'. Also the Form/Function aspect of the novel makes it a highly original work.Kevin Faulknerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15482886706239506749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-15825817695358705462011-09-29T21:33:31.872-05:002011-09-29T21:33:31.872-05:00You have to look at it a certain way, but The Maia...You have to look at it a certain way, but <i>The Maias</i> really is a brilliant form-meets-function conceptual response to the idea of originality, or the value of imitation. There is no reason why outside readers should be particularly interested in the Portuguese part of the question, but the larger question is universal, and as you say, an old one.<br /><br />The anti-Zola language (from one particular character) is consistently hilarious. "The only way to criticize realism is to hold you nose!"Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-19283936512707509132011-09-29T18:44:55.232-05:002011-09-29T18:44:55.232-05:00The predisposition toward imitatio was also keen i...The predisposition toward <em>imitatio</em> was also keen in huge swaths of medieval Europe, but that didn't stop anybody from adapting or innovating freely in the long run. Funny tendency that. Speaking of which, "lavatorial" literature should be a great technical term to add to my blogging vocab, thanks! P.S. My problems leaving comments here the last few days seem to be browser-related: IE bad, Firefox good. At least I got through the "defenses" this time.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.com