tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post3860139176693551636..comments2024-03-29T03:04:00.853-05:00Comments on Wuthering <br>Expectations: The unusual case of Fathers and SonsAmateur Reader (Tom)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-90269238921577617682013-12-22T15:18:49.125-06:002013-12-22T15:18:49.125-06:00Be sure to take a look at this piece by XIX Bek - ...Be sure to take a look at <a href="http://xixvek.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/he-had-before-him-a-fairly-wide-selection-of-fashions-and-manners/" rel="nofollow">this piece by XIX Bek</a> - there was a real explosion of fictional responses. Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-79668302749171096582013-12-22T08:57:38.251-06:002013-12-22T08:57:38.251-06:00Ooh, this is the first I hear about this debate an...Ooh, this is the first I hear about this debate and am now opening tabs to read more. Excellent post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-18685011637569216682013-12-11T08:09:51.475-06:002013-12-11T08:09:51.475-06:00Skip the dreams - no way, that's the good stuf...Skip the dreams - no way, that's the good stuff! I know the book is readable from direct experience in the sense that I have read it myself. Still, for most people I fear the book would count as a Bad Read. Whatever that is. I don't actually know what people mean by "good read."Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-8424089467773947452013-12-11T04:06:50.168-06:002013-12-11T04:06:50.168-06:00I don't know about translations, but it's ...I don't know about translations, but it's pretty readable in the original. It's true that the socialist ideas are everywhere and it's rather irritating, but there's also love, family building, suicide, friendship, high morals, etc. It's quite OK :) Just skip the dreams descriptions :)Arenelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08646965847129179304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-15115961906858055602013-12-10T14:57:46.445-06:002013-12-10T14:57:46.445-06:00No, I haven't read "The Gift." Yet a...No, I haven't read "The Gift." Yet another addition to the tottering TBR stack. I appreciate the recommendation!Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688525659034403580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-51037388972679281442013-12-09T23:32:50.915-06:002013-12-09T23:32:50.915-06:00I need to revisit the Chernyshevsky to see just ho...I need to revisit the Chernyshevsky to see just how readable it is. It certainly isn't <i>good</i>. But there are many kinds of bad.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-29664974123211487502013-12-09T23:05:24.246-06:002013-12-09T23:05:24.246-06:00Now I'm going to have to read all of those, in...Now I'm going to have to read all of those, in order. That's Russian novelists for you, having philosophical arguments with each other in novels! I didn't know about this and now I must learn.<br /><br />I guess I'll have to read The Gift too. I'm pretty sure I did read it in college, but it's long gone now.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14247515387599954817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-23833092479323269982013-12-09T22:24:23.611-06:002013-12-09T22:24:23.611-06:00To me the irony is that while Turgenev created &qu...To me the irony is that while Turgenev created "real" characters - not just Bazarov but almost all of the supporting characters - so many of his critics and readers were eager to turn them into caricatures for political purposes. The big debate almost required reducing Bazarov to a type.<br /><br />Whatever Dostoevsky's faults, this is not one of them.<br /><br />I have the idea that you have not read <i>The Gift</i> by Nabokov? I think it would be your kind of book, even more than most of his Russian novels. The Chernyshevsky chapter alone is stunning.<br />Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-16120748918671662082013-12-09T16:05:51.639-06:002013-12-09T16:05:51.639-06:00On this book I think my comment was along the line...On this book I think my comment was along the lines that Turgenev created "real"characters instead of simply encasing ideas in caricatures. That definitely facilitates such chains.Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688525659034403580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-42880321839907028802013-12-08T19:38:48.553-06:002013-12-08T19:38:48.553-06:00Yes, that sounds right. A revolutionary socialist...Yes, that sounds right. A revolutionary socialist with a utopian bent, pre-Marxist but close enough that Lenin was later able to pull Chernyshevsky into his own ideas.<br /><br />Like Dostoevsky, he went through a mock execution. He wrote the novel while in prison. These Russians, these poor Russian writers.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-55258842814459105912013-12-08T15:52:25.486-06:002013-12-08T15:52:25.486-06:00So Chernyshevsky was like some pre-bolshevist or s...So Chernyshevsky was like some pre-bolshevist or something?LMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08538873868140070018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-70576257376866979592013-12-08T12:56:34.365-06:002013-12-08T12:56:34.365-06:00A number of parts of Underground are direct parodi...A number of parts of <i>Underground</i> are direct parodies of episodes from Chernyshevsky's novel. The one I remember best, probably because it is covered so thoroughly in Marshall Berman's <i>All That Is Solid Melts into Air</i>, is the part about giving up the sidewalk to an officer. Chernyshevky's hero, as you might guess, asserts his dignity as a human and stays on the sidewalk.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-51481237832183641812013-12-08T09:10:22.886-06:002013-12-08T09:10:22.886-06:00That's an interesting chain indeed; I read Tur...That's an interesting chain indeed; I read Turgenev's and didn't care for it, skipped Chernyshevsky's, and loved Dostoevsky's. I can't imagine what he could be possibly reacting to in Chernyshevsky, but whatever it was, Notes from the Underground is a great piece of dark humour.LMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08538873868140070018noreply@blogger.com