tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post5718005035707510013..comments2024-03-27T16:48:21.039-05:00Comments on Wuthering <br>Expectations: I am against manifestos - Tristan Tzara guides future professorsAmateur Reader (Tom)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-91692233369947548262016-10-13T09:05:22.256-05:002016-10-13T09:05:22.256-05:00Thanks so much! What energy. "I want my own ...Thanks so much! What energy. "I want my own nonsense" - that's the stuff.<br /><br />Again, I am surprised, or no longer quite surprised, how clearly an argument comes through the nonsense.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-21430443924110493542016-10-13T08:51:41.523-05:002016-10-13T08:51:41.523-05:00Here's my 2003 translation of Hugo Ball's ...<a href="http://languagehat.com/dada/" rel="nofollow">Here</a>'s my 2003 translation of Hugo Ball's Dada Manifesto, which I offer with no false humility -- I still get considerable pleasure from reading it.Languagehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285708503881129380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-18252094499831022882016-10-12T10:01:21.455-05:002016-10-12T10:01:21.455-05:00Oh yes, Beckett's French plays are descendants...Oh yes, Beckett's French plays are descendants of this great French absurdist theatrical tradition which runs straight - or crooked - through Dada.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-64634603115616119902016-10-12T09:47:47.362-05:002016-10-12T09:47:47.362-05:00Postscript: I found an article that might answer m...Postscript: I found an article that might answer my "question" -- https://muse.jhu.edu/article/496583/summary -- but now I need to access and read the article. So, I guess you will want to ignore my previous blather.RTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113953356514605424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-68510883908372558592016-10-12T09:36:49.843-05:002016-10-12T09:36:49.843-05:00I sense -- but have absolutely no evidence in supp...I sense -- but have absolutely no evidence in support of this notion -- an influence of the Dadaists' movement later upon Samuel Beckett. There is something about some of Beckett's work that seems to echo what I am detecting in Dadaism through your posting and the comments. Is my sense misguided? RTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113953356514605424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-55135244869911836242016-10-12T09:31:46.654-05:002016-10-12T09:31:46.654-05:00Yes, you can't say the Dadaists didn't doc...Yes, you can't say the Dadaists didn't document themselves.<br /><br />I knew the intestine was Picabia's, but not the math problem. That is amusing. Anyway, that is the reason for my vague language ("anything that is part of Tzara’s piece" rather than "Tzara's drawings"). I had some suspicions.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-83073806147334076502016-10-12T08:23:41.257-05:002016-10-12T08:23:41.257-05:00I think Dada was mostly promoted by Huelsenbeck an...I think Dada was mostly promoted by Huelsenbeck and Tzara, who quarreled over who invented it. It became an umbrella for many young artists whose work had nothing in common, and who kept doing what they did before and after Dada. Others were not officially Dadaists, but showed up in the same publications and events, like Apollinaire, Cocteau, Satie, Reverdy, Jacob, Laurencin...<br /><br />Then Breton tried to herd everyone into Surrealism, with himself as pope, which was unfortunate.<br /><br />Some of the Dadaists wrote their own histories of the time: Ribemont-Dessaignes and Hans Richter, for example. <br /><br />(Parenthetical note: The drawings in Tzara's manifestos, including the math problem, were Picabia's. I think Tzara just asked him for illustrations, and that's what he got.) Doug Skinnerhttp://www.dougskinner.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-51040926677476551802016-10-11T23:16:13.454-05:002016-10-11T23:16:13.454-05:00That's a good point. For the literary side, I...That's a good point. For the literary side, I need to orient myself more towards Paris.<br /><br />The international aspect of Dada, the diverse languages, the limited (or multiple) translations - they make this a confusing subject. I greatly appreciate the recommendations.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-50424381396865013512016-10-11T22:15:09.687-05:002016-10-11T22:15:09.687-05:00I'm not sure Dada was more visual than literar...I'm not sure Dada was more visual than literary. Probably in Zurich it was more cabaret, in Berlin more cartoons and collages, in Paris more literary. Among the memorable writers were Picabia, Ribemont-Dessaignes, Ball, Huelsenbeck, and of course budding Surrealists like Breton, Soupault, and Aragon. Visual art, though is easier to translate... <br /><br />Tzara wrote fine poetry before and after Dada; he can also be seen as part of the chain of wild Romanians that includes (at least) Urmuz, Ionesco, and Isou. All worth the reading! (Well, maybe not Isou.) <br />Doug Skinnerhttp://www.dougskinner.netnoreply@blogger.com