tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post7053788347054472086..comments2024-03-27T16:48:21.039-05:00Comments on Wuthering <br>Expectations: The nebbish and his mother - Perfect victory attended the gentle widow in this passage of arms - this is still Salem ChapelAmateur Reader (Tom)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-83903955617913244132013-10-20T11:14:15.489-05:002013-10-20T11:14:15.489-05:00That is possible, yes, although "grooming&quo...That is possible, yes, although "grooming" still sounds much to active for Vincent, and at that point unnecessary. He will take her "as is."Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-81814401694499191292013-10-20T00:33:34.919-05:002013-10-20T00:33:34.919-05:00Correction (of my own comment) - he is *about to* ...Correction (of my own comment) - he is *about to* start grooming her. he has just decided who his future wife should be...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07546287562521628467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-86446113524652312872013-10-19T16:56:07.174-05:002013-10-19T16:56:07.174-05:00Right, we non-Victorians are likely to find the ve...Right, we non-Victorians are likely to find the very fact that Artie is so attracted to the girl creepy. But Tony says that Vincent himself groomed her. No way.<br /><br />Also, to marry her, Vincent would have to get through his mother, who would have other plans. Phoebe Tozer was too far beneath her, after all.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-14880767950171771332013-10-19T16:20:35.736-05:002013-10-19T16:20:35.736-05:00I'm not sure Tony is misremembering the creepi...I'm not sure Tony is misremembering the creepiness of the ending, actually...I mean, think about it--who would be better matched, emotionally, for Arthur Vincent than a beautiful idiot girl? She'd still be the more sophisticated of the two. Maybe it's creepy because Arthur finds her attractive and doesn't find himself creepy for doing so!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-10416393917767822002013-10-17T20:57:55.259-05:002013-10-17T20:57:55.259-05:00Dagnabbit, I forgot about those posts. You wrote ...Dagnabbit, I forgot about those posts. You wrote the one where you tracked down the <a href="http://desperatereader.blogspot.com/2011/05/more-oliphant.html" rel="nofollow">rectory carpet</a>. Thanks for reminding me.<br /><br />The women in the social comedy of <i>Salem Chapel</i> are outstanding. In the sensation plot, they become devices. The role of Mr. Tozer is especially interesting here, since he is acutely aware of the women around him, of their power and role as well as his own, while Vincent seems unaware that he is almost complete dependency on the work of the women.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-44193897603788735222013-10-17T20:34:45.221-05:002013-10-17T20:34:45.221-05:00Ah - you misremember it then! It is not that cree...Ah - you misremember it then! It is not <i>that</i> creepy. Vincent is too ineffective and watery to do any such thing. His sister and mother - who he <i>never visits</i> because that is the kind of son he is - raise the girl in France. Vincent has nothing to do with it.<br /><br />When he finally meets the girl again, after "two or three years," he reacts oddly, in a way that can justify the charge of "creepy." It is just not as strong as you remember.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-86142062600690292052013-10-17T19:42:51.292-05:002013-10-17T19:42:51.292-05:00As I recall (a long time since I read it), the boo...As I recall (a long time since I read it), the books ends with him basically grooming a young girl for future marriage. Now that's creepy...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07546287562521628467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-88899848400771044892013-10-17T17:14:48.797-05:002013-10-17T17:14:48.797-05:00When I read this I was more interested in the wome...When I read this I was more interested in the women in the novel and what Oliphant did with them. By the end of the series when I was better acquainted with Trollopes Barchester I was even more interested in what she was doing which makes me want to find the time to read her all over again. Desperate Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708411387912078122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-45253999247872753302013-10-17T08:28:12.693-05:002013-10-17T08:28:12.693-05:00Creepy, creepy - oh, do you mean the business with...Creepy, creepy - oh, do you mean the business with the idiot girl? It is not creepy <i>within</i> the text, is it? It does present an artistic failure, as it is used to pump some unearned uplift into the last couple of pages.<br /><br />Or if it is creepy within the text, it is because of the fundamental confusion of the sensation plot - exactly what crime or transgression is being committed here? Perhaps the confusion is in some way Vincent's. Now that is an interesting idea.<br /><br />More weight to my argument that the novel should never have left Carlingford. Once Vincent leaves the city limits, the story is over.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-41354395825936550852013-10-17T03:20:23.813-05:002013-10-17T03:20:23.813-05:00What did you think of the ending? As I recall, it...What did you think of the ending? As I recall, it was a little... creepy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07546287562521628467noreply@blogger.com