tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post7709066196898438999..comments2024-03-29T03:04:00.853-05:00Comments on Wuthering <br>Expectations: when I get on the subject of my cowbells, I get carried away - Hamsun gets carried awayAmateur Reader (Tom)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-70721335187502084562014-11-04T13:13:41.150-06:002014-11-04T13:13:41.150-06:00Isn't that the definition of a "novel of ...Isn't that the definition of a "novel of ideas," someone else's ideas draped with fiction?Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-9539384726766860332014-11-04T11:57:55.642-06:002014-11-04T11:57:55.642-06:00How can Hamsun’s characters be of such interest if...<em>How can Hamsun’s characters be of such interest if they are merely insane?</em><br /><br />The paragraph where you go into this is great, and it tickles me that Hamsun's "irrationalism" argument is rationally ripped off of other predecessors' ideas. Too rich! Of course, I found Nagel's cowbells talk more edifying than his Gladstone talk, truth be told.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-88524170686346173232014-11-01T16:56:50.485-05:002014-11-01T16:56:50.485-05:00Consider your post stolen (see me newest).
I thin...Consider your post stolen (see me newest).<br /><br />I think Dostoevsky's contribution was not literally "2+2=5" but rather the rant that contains it. Chernyshevsky of course employed 2+2=4 because it was a cliche, and thus suited his artistic capabilities. Turgenev was too subtle to actually have Bazarov say such a thing. Not older Turgenev, I guess, but the younger one.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-29058471563470756822014-11-01T03:59:43.738-05:002014-11-01T03:59:43.738-05:00Don't restrict yourself to borrowing, steal if...Don't restrict yourself to borrowing, steal if you want! Séamus Dugganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00574186409184247059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-3199073932560561442014-11-01T01:28:30.744-05:002014-11-01T01:28:30.744-05:00So Turgenev then links back to...Turgenev.
I'...So Turgenev then links back to...Turgenev.<br /><br />I've been wondering if Dostoyevsky's was actually the first use of the "two plus two is four" construction in this social dialogue. I have no idea, of course, but sometimes I think the phrase could've already been current before FD made so much of it. That would create new links all over, if it were true.scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-18459001077336606622014-10-31T22:45:51.715-05:002014-10-31T22:45:51.715-05:00!!!. That's my response to the Turgenev poem,...!!!. That's my response to the <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=plEbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT3118&lpg=PT3118&dq=turgenev+prayer&source=bl&ots=StyjrGGCSt&sig=QZJ_OjS2SGFVzIcAvRm0qHotyew&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R0dUVLyzH4qyyQTU94KgCg&ved=0CE0Q6AEwCg#v=onepage&q=turgenev%20prayer&f=false" rel="nofollow">Turgenev poem</a>, which i had not known. The poem is form 1881, so two of the exclamation points are for the clear and direct link to Chernyshevsky. Séamus, it's not too late. <br /><br />The new Vapour Trails post on <i>Mysteries</i> <a href="http://theknockingshop.blogspot.com/2014/10/mysteries.html" rel="nofollow">is here</a>, by the way. Maybe I can borrow some of that tomorrow.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-27030100784196701312014-10-31T19:29:16.092-05:002014-10-31T19:29:16.092-05:00Ivan Turgenev's poem Prayer:
Every prayer red...Ivan Turgenev's poem Prayer: <br />Every prayer reduces itself to this: Great God, grant that two plus two be not four.Cleanthesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15363416290397892659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-70065543196929980682014-10-31T18:56:46.134-05:002014-10-31T18:56:46.134-05:00I feel that I missed something, not having read Ch...I feel that I missed something, not having read Chernyshevsky. I like your view of Hamsun's characters as "fictionally embodied protests against the Enlightenment." The irrational is certainly key to the book.Séamus Dugganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00574186409184247059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-55992509509668208072014-10-31T16:05:44.730-05:002014-10-31T16:05:44.730-05:00One of the best things I've done, reading Cher...One of the best things I've done, reading Chernyshevsky. It was a great idea.scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-55139400501944781912014-10-31T13:51:14.007-05:002014-10-31T13:51:14.007-05:00I am so glad I pushed that preposterous readalong....I am so glad I pushed that preposterous readalong. Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-9400027128087890842014-10-31T13:31:43.224-05:002014-10-31T13:31:43.224-05:00Those sentences kind of sum up the novel. I may h...Those sentences kind of sum up the novel. I may have to quote you on that.<br /><br />"Dostoevsky was at this point arguing directly with Nikolay Chernyshevsky, making Mysteries a direct descendant of Chernyshevsky..."<br /><br />This has been the most fun year of reading because of that Chernyshevsky. I am quite fond of him now, silly fellow that he was. I keep telling my mom to read him.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14247515387599954817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-6614523240672126932014-10-31T12:53:56.901-05:002014-10-31T12:53:56.901-05:00Yeah, he's Myshkin and anti-Myshkin. He has t...Yeah, he's Myshkin and anti-Myshkin. He has trouble synthesizing the two.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3383938214852108244.post-58230672390687528092014-10-31T12:41:26.362-05:002014-10-31T12:41:26.362-05:00I am quite annoyed that my university library hasn...I am quite annoyed that my university library hasn't put this book in my hands yet. Everyone else is having all the fun. I'm happy to see another <i>WITBD?</i> descendent, too. Should we count that Radiohead song "2+2=5" as well, then?<br /><br />Wait, so this Nagel guy is both Myshkin and the Underground Man?scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.com